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Voltie — she/her Posted 4 years ago ( 2020/04/2 18:08:12 )


I dont know how to handle this situation, I'm having a hard time emphasizing with it, but I try my best to sympathize.
When I met my bf he seemed to be in this picture perfect family relationship with his dad and step mom. Things were simple. TOO simple. I knew there was disorder somewhere that I couldn't see, so I thought I had braced myself for when it finally showed itself.

Then my bf decided to move out of his dad's house and live with me. That's when everything exploded and even my bf saw for the first time that something wasn't right with his family. His dad lost his mind at us. He put me on this pedestal (figuratively) in front of that whole family to shame me, insult me, make me out to be a horrible untrustworthy slut, and just overall preaching against me like I'm the devil himself. Never have I felt more humiliated and angry than I did that day, and I can never forgive that man. But I still have to act decent around him out of respect for his children, because for their sake and cause I love them, I also want to stay in their lives.
This man also turned against his own son that day, told him he hates him and will pray that things will go wrong for him because of these choices. Like, I'm no priest or anything, but I'm pretty sure that isn't how praying works????

Anyway, it has been several months. We dealt with that back in september.
Every time he visits his dad without me, the man is always trying to manipulate my bf into coming back. Saying he "shouldn't be living with strangers" and that I only have bad intentions, ect ect. He's always trying to control my bf's every move, EVERY decision he makes.
Lately its health insurance. My bf isn't 26 yet so he was still on his dad's health insurance. Out of the blue, in the midst of this pandemic, his dad KICKS HIM OFF OF HIS HEALTH INSURANCE LIKE YOU'RE ON YOUR OWN NOW BITCH!
I can empathize with the scary feeling the first time you realize you have no health insurance. So I get my bf to relax a bit like its okay, maybe his dad lost his benefits, maybe it wasn't malicious and he couldn't legally put my bf on any new insurance plans cause he isn't living with him. But we'll work things out with our job and see what we can do.

His dad
is prying
spamming his phone
trying to force him to buy insurance immediately, from a specific company just cause he said so
and this company is acting sketchy AS HELL and we cant afford it rn anyway
my bf almost got suckered into it cause of his dad's forceful attitude, before I noticed and halted his phone call right away like NONONONO
He put the call on hold, unsure whether to believe me. But when he picked up the call again, and explained our financial concerns, the agent is like "well do you have a friend who can give you money?"
This shaaaaaaatters my bf, cause he realized I was right, this isn't a good option. He broke down just knowing that his dad would murder him for not going through with it. We tried our job, but they cut our hours too much so we cant get health benefits through them either. Hourly retail, fun.
And now his college classes have also been cancelled until june at the earliest.

His dad and step mom wont leave him alone. But they have him so whipped and abused for so long, that he can't bring himself to tell them to leave him alone, or let him deal with it, or just to ignore them for more than a day. I feel like he has this heavy instinct that there's a really big consequence to standing up for himself. He doesn't want to lose the family that he still loves so much but they're tearing him apart emotionally on pretty much a monthly basis since we moved.

I'm the type of person to stand up and tell someone to shove off when they cross my lines.
But even the smallest situation, like not answering someone's question until a few days later and being like "my bad I was doing something and then forgot until now"
My family will be like "its fine I was just worried about this thing, did you get it sorted" or whatever. Like normal humans.
His family would probably break my door down over it lol There's a drastic difference and I have such a hard time giving my bf any sort of advice, cause I just have to be honest with him. What I'd do is not what he'd do, and that's okay, but that means all I can offer is support. And that my whole family would protect him too.

But, with his passive approach, will this ever stop?

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Donator — Fujoshi Posted 4 years ago ( 2020/04/2 19:07:28 )
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@Jolly: Oof, his dad sounds toxic. ): I’m sorry you both are going through that mental abuse. Unfortunately, older people are harder to change, and I have no logical reasoning as to why he’d go so far to hurt his son just because he’s with you. Sounds like it’s time to start slowly distancing yourselves away from him, though it might be hard for your bf at first.
Since your bf just lost his insurance coverage, and it sounds like you’re in America (I get those uninsured Americans fears), apply for ACA. You can apply if you’ve suddenly lost your insurance at no fault of your own, but there’s a time limit. And it will be hella cheaper than the scam your bf’s dad was trying to get him to sign up for. Hope that info helps you guys out.


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Voltie — she/her Posted 4 years ago ( 2020/04/2 19:22:09 )


@tsundererra:
Its incredibly hard for my bf who isn't used to having family issues. This is the first time he's seen this hateful side of his dad (and it not be about his biological mom, whom the man has firmly held a grudge against for for most of his life now).
He isn't used to this feeling of almost hating his father for being such a tit. But now he's recognizing the abuse towards his siblings as well, since he has had this chance to step away and see how another family acts, he can see the contrast. It kills me so much to see this all unfold. Its really heartbreaking.

Thanks so much for that advice! I think its been about a week already since he lost his insurance. But I'll see if he can try ACA when he gets off work later today.
I personally haven't had insurance in a long time already lol I'm older than him, so mine dropped when i was 26. My parents would tell me no matter where I lived, to keep my home address set to their's so they can keep me on it. I was grateful for it. But now I can't even get medicaid or anything xD always declines me.

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Donator — Fujoshi Posted 4 years ago ( 2020/04/2 23:46:59 )
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@Jolly: Oof, if he was able to be hateful to his son’s mother, then of course he’d be able to do it to his son or other kids if given the opportunity. It’s definitely difficult to experience the unkind/hateful side of someone who’s supposed to unconditionally love you and look out for your best interest. Even more so if the relationship was good before. ): Just make sure to let your bf know you’re they’re to support him emotionally and that he’s making the right decision to step back.

It might depend on your state, but I was able to pay for a super cheap insurance though the health.gov site when I moved back to America and had no insurance. It’s not Medicaid since you pay for it, but they give you affordable insurance options. You might be able to join in as well. I think he has like 2 weeks to a month to apply. I hope he manages to get some health insurance, because it’s scary to not have any, especially during this pandemic. Stay safe!


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Donator — Frog bless Posted 4 years ago ( 2020/04/3 00:20:18 )

Right now especially companies and programs are starting to cut deals for people that can no longer afford insurance due to the pandemic so it's worth applying for things again, or at least doing some research on what's available that wasn't 6 weeks ago.

It really sucks that you have to deal with this though. It's really sad and, not gonna lie, it's gonna be hard for your bf to learn something different when this is how he's lived his entire life. It's good that he has had the opportunity to see how other people live and I hope he continues to become more independent. I'd recommend counseling for him too, but I also know that's going to be difficult with the quarantine and no insurance. >.<
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Voltie — she/her Posted 4 years ago ( 2020/04/4 04:03:54 )


@tsundererra:
After trying some of these options, I remembered why I'm always declined for free/cheap insurance too. Part of the sign up requirement is to give an estimate of household annual income. We can't afford our own place at the moment (of course) so we're living with my parents, who make good money. We're actually living here rent free cause they refuse to let me give them any money, cause they dont need it. So for that, the rest of us don't qualify for any cheap or free benefits and lying will do it no good either lol
I always get quoted around 250-350$ monthly prices for basic health insurance. ;;;;; yay, murica

@priestess of pie:
The bit I said above disqualifies me for a lot of affordable options, sadly. But I will keep trying! I usually try signing up for them here and there just to see if anything changes.
I do have to wait anyways if it comes to paid insurance, since right now I'm teetering on a THIN edge of not having a job at all soon (bf also, we work at the same place). I understand its more scary not having insurance with the virus going on, but I mean.. I am on the verge of losing all finances so it really wouldn't benefit me to sign more contracts right now ;v;'''
Someone else told me to just pay for it while the virus is going on, then drop it when things chill out. Idk what negative consequences come with cutting off insurance early like that. Or if its worth draining my savings, which I'm reserving to cover my bills if my crisis lasts too long.

I just wish that angry old man would understand that kind of logic. But I know his motives are to scare his son into moving back in with him. He does claim to still pray for our demise and that my bf will crawl back to him one day lol so horrible.

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Donator — Fujoshi Posted 4 years ago ( 2020/04/4 04:13:08 )
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@Jolly: I was living with my parents when I came back from America, and I had to call and ask the hotline number what counts as a household. Not sure if this definition holds the same in your state, but in mine, a household is the amount of people in your home looking for health insurance. So it would be you, your spouse, and any dependents you’re responsible for. You should call the help number and ask if you and your bf can count as a household even though you live with someone else. It wouldn’t hurt to try. ^^ Plus on the news they mentioned that a lot of states and insurances are opening enrollment for peeps interested.


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Voltie — she/her Posted 4 years ago ( 2020/04/4 18:36:21 )


@tsundererra:
I'll have to look at what my state defines "household income" as then. Thanks for all the tips !


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Voltie — They/Them Posted 4 years ago ( 2020/04/4 20:42:41 )
There's something foul about the air here...

I completely understand his fears of losing his family over telling his parents to back off. However, taking a passive approach in an attempt to appease them will not help at all. Situations like this are very difficult, but I believe it's better to cut off his dad and stepmom. I'm sure he can talk to his extended family and talk about the problems he's dealing with to make sure he doesn't lose them.
Allowing the abuse and manipulation is not the right approach for this, his sanity is more important.
I'm not sure how to help with the health insurance issue since I've yet to have to sign up for my own, but hopefully my input will help


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Voltie — she/her Posted 4 years ago ( 2020/04/4 22:23:25 )


@grost:
Thank you for the input <3 It does help. He gets stuck in a mental vortex, worrying about the future day when his father passes and how much he might regret losing the relationship he had with him in childhood.
It's also an emotion I can't fully put myself in the shoes of, since I've lived a very different life.

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Voltie Posted 4 years ago ( 2020/04/5 19:09:18 )

That is a toxic family to the core and that just doesn't happen all in one day. There was definitely something going on that your bf never mentions about but I hope you won't hold that up against him. The parents seems to have control over your bf which is a red flag already. In my opinion he needs to stay away from his parents or officially cutting them off in his life. I know that's never easy to do but eventually his family problems could affect your relationship as well.

I can understand a little bit on what he's going through because my family was in such a toxc state as well but we manage to work it out now. Is only through time, patience, healing and both cooperation on both sides can resolve this.

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